IT”S NOT ABOUT TUMBLR!!!!!! SHEESH
Please - I beg you - review this video -this is what we are really doing
It’s not about TUMBLR and if your not putting quality, brilliant information that delivers supreme and real value to the reader there
A pox on your house.
I mean it - I hate spam, I hate get rich quick, this is not what the thirty day challenge is about. I hate arbitrage opportunities! This is about creating a brilliant business one step at time - slowly and surely. Putting in effort as opposed to cash. So that people have a chance at doing something online without getting exploited by bastards who will take a couple of grand from you and teach you something that could never work.
Make your content EXCELLENT, Make it USEFUL - If it’s salesey you will get banned and I’ll be the first one clapping my hands with joy when it happens to you.
This is about creating a REAL, SUSTAINABLE, ECOLOGICAL and ETHICAL business.
Full Stop.
There are no shortcuts - none.
Tumblr is not the holy grail - it’s a great site that allows us to publish wonderful, useful content that serves the person that arrive on that page looking for obscure topics. If you dont do this - I hope they kick you to the curb.
Next week we will show you a bunch of other sites that will allow you to publish your useful and informative content. Treat those sites with the respect they deserve.
Ed
August 18th, 2007 at 2:44 am
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August 18th, 2007 at 3:04 am
Applause - well put Ed.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:11 am
How do we know what’s quality and what isn’t? The content you did for your speed reading example was very short. Not much to it. Do you consider something like that quality? In other words, what makes or breaks an article. For tumblr or otherwise?
Thanks for all the great information throughout the site so far.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:16 am
I always ask myself - if someone is search sausagemaking tips - i ask myself -did i make them happy when they arrived at my site or do they feel cheated (even if tis non-plussed that would be bad)
Ed
August 18th, 2007 at 3:39 am
I have fallen behind due to circumstances. I came on this while downloading. Ed’s plea is correct. The true goal is to give something of value - in this case valuable content. Without seeing any of this as of yet I already know what quality is and when someone is “pushing” something. I have a website. I have never promoted it except by editing the content on my site to give freely on GoArticles. I have made money from that. I still do not offer a product for sale on my site. I joined this excellent program just to find out how I might make a little “survival” income.
Someone left a message on my Shoutbox window that a link was broken to some articles he desperately wanted to read. I had goofed and had to search my 3rd computer to find the lost files. They are up and running and I don’t think I will ever know who the person is. This spring I gave 1 1/2 hours of my time to teach a man something using Skype to a landline. This is normally a person to person lesson where visual is critical. But, I know my field and this man was so happy he sent me a check for a lot of money when no contract had been negotiated. His “penalty” is that he gets an occasional Skype call from me for a follow up tip and an order to get out and get going. Actually, we built a friendship on that 1st call.
This is not about gain or wealth. It is about “easing someone else’s pain”. The rewards will come.
Salute to you Ed. Please don’t get too worked up about it. Just get it out of the way with your administrative tools. Who has done whatever is their problem in life. You are doing something far and away above “the call”. Let these people tumble to their destination. You may have already realized yours with what you are doing for us.
Sorry for the length but this also bites me deeply.
Sincerely,
Glen
August 18th, 2007 at 3:39 am
I must have missed something……
Someone pushed a button?
August 18th, 2007 at 4:24 am
I suppose if anybody puts on a free course about Internet Marketing, and then gets people to join Facebook etc where things can go viral pretty easily, then it’s always going to attract the sharks circling around where all of this juicy groundbait has been thrown out.
But Web2.0 is not a set of tools, it’s an attitude.
Keep putting out the white-hat philosophy message Ed, and it will keep the heart of this community on the right track. I’m reading that people are falling in love with their community already, and that’s a strong indicator.
Maybe also a warning that it’s a wild wild world out there, and that world overlaps with us, at least at the fringes.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:58 am
“The Internet/Google” is written as if they’re the same thing. Damn straight they are!
August 18th, 2007 at 5:52 am
I worry that as I’m writing about something I know nothing about my content won’t make people happy. I’m taking it down and trying again. It’s not spammy it’s just not right.It wouldn’t make me smile if I found it. I’ve seen quite a few great tumblrs today though. I’ve more idea what to aim for now. Yeah for Ed and the white hats
August 18th, 2007 at 6:08 am
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August 18th, 2007 at 6:54 am
As I’ve said in my 30DC blog…this is why I have been doing Squidoo lenses for a year - to help people find the quality content on the web quickly. I haven’t even thought about putting the money-making aspect first. I’m doing my part to curate the Web and get the good stuff on a topic at the top of Google.
August 18th, 2007 at 7:17 am
Yeah.. I hate spam as well. Some newbies are spamming because they dont know what spamming is. They read some mini sites that are selling tools to increase traffic, but in the end the tools are doing spamming. Newbies are often find the lessons the hard way.
That is why I like this TDC. All explained step by step
August 18th, 2007 at 7:21 am
As a late starter I recently joined a team and it seems to be huge. I got a bit worried about everybody hoping for massive tagging of each others sites to get high rankings quickly, probably without any content to satisfy the traffic which will never return.
I am also worried that Google will find brand new sites that jump to the top in a few days of a dubious character, turning our methods against us. They did not like link farms either.
I finally have a sentence. I secured a blogspot while I am working on good content and I am still trying to catchup with the lessons. But this is a great challenge and I will leave it a lot wiser, maybe even a few dollars richer
Thanks Ed
August 18th, 2007 at 7:26 am
See it’s the process NOT the platform.
August 18th, 2007 at 7:26 am
How do we know what’s quality and what isn’t?
All searches are questions, content is ‘quality content’ only in sofar as it answers the question asked.
So if your page has a good result for ‘Speed Reading’ and I visit only to find that most of the content is about ’sausage making’ then irrespective of how good that sausage making content is …for speed reading it is useless.
If I search on ‘Free speed reading’ and your page says ‘buy my ebook for $99 and get a free speed reading course’ this is not ‘quality content’
If I search on ‘Free speed reading’ and your page says ’sign up for my newsletter for a speed reading course’
this is only average but not really ‘quality content’.
However if I search on ‘Free speed reading’ and your page gives me some tips on speed reading, and says ’subscribe to my newsletter for more tips and receive a 10% on my comprehensive course’, this is ‘quality content’.
Not only are you satisifying my immediate needs, you are providing a tempting offer which I would probably sign up for, and you will have future opportunties to remind me of the benefits of your course…..but if your newsletter is just a sales pitch I would probably be disappointed.
In other words dont promise more than you deliver, if you raise my expectations and fail to fulfill them I will be disappointed, and having been disappointed I’m unlikely to trust the claims you make about the products you want me to buy.
nick
August 18th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Boy, I am glad I took the time to read this thread. It has cleared some of the fog in my head. Glen says it best (for me) as he has the same type of outlook I do. Help, be a human. I have been stuck on my copy writing as I was not SURE what the intent was.
Smooches,
Kitty
August 18th, 2007 at 10:43 am
‘A POX ON YOUR HOUSE’
I absolutely love your terminology Ed, brilliant and let us all take note.
Rock and Roll
Grahame
August 18th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Hi Ed,
I couldn’t figure out how to give something of value. So I just told a story about a personal experience with the term as a teenager. Within the post I put a couple of text links to some books on Amazon that were appropriate to the term. Since I’m new to this I couldn’t find anything except Amazon to put on the blog. I wondered if my “story post” had value to a visitor. After your post I went back and included links to an owners association and a historical site..whch in effect will take visitors away from the site but does offer value other than my story.
Oh What the hell here it is: http://cushmanscooters.tumblr.com/
Regards,
Jim
August 18th, 2007 at 11:05 am
Well put Ed…
I guess we all need to put ourselves in the shoes (eyes) of the people searching for useful content….and we all know what it’s like to search for something on the internet and only find crap….
Bottom line, I guess there is already too much crap on the internet …so lets not add to it.
Cheers,
Darren
August 18th, 2007 at 11:13 am
PS. I feel I like I’ve just been sent to the “principle’s office”.
Thanks for the wakeup call Ed!
August 18th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Some of us have worked very hard on this and not jumping too fast to break the bank. I have written some great stuff on my topic which is in the “craft” arena. My topic is something I have always wanted to learn and I am sure there are lots of other people out there wanting to learn as well. So I created my blog on tumblr so people could follow along. When I log on this morning they suspended me for spam. Also noting they have suspended other people on my team with good content as well. I don’t get it??? There goes the hard work down the drain. Especially because I didn’t copy my blog entries… I believe they are suspending people because too many did this too fast - on whatever they thought would work and didn’t give much thought to it. Well a lot of us did think this out - so - why all the account suspensions on Tumblr? Spreading this out over other web 2.0 properties would have been a better idea! I’m starting over on a different blogger - this is ridiculous!
August 18th, 2007 at 11:56 am
My favorite saying is, “Life is Good”. I am 61 and look 41 (to others). I have little in money or assets. I have been “kicked in the teeth” at every stage and place in my life by 1 or 2 people. But, I moved to my next “adventure” with no regrets knowing I had acquired knowledge. I currently moved to a new location. I am finding that I was needed there for some time.
What Ed, Dan, and a lot of you with comments that are supportive and contributory are telling me is:
that we are learning how to use new tools and ideas that will help all of us in our “next move” to where we are needed.
To me, the excitement is in learning something so new it is breathtaking. Wow, humanity is still growing in the “inventive” processes. I am ecstatic and invigorated to read many of the comments - even the 2 or 3 word comments. The thought behind them reflects wonder at new knowledge - not more money.
Thank you all.
Glen
August 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Well, I hope your hands aren’t sore from clapping at this point Ed, but I am suspended as well, and I actually had some nifty stuff on my site. I think I actually gave more and better instruction on my site then on the freespeedreading site. I honestly don’t get it.
I told the story of how my wife and I live in the middle of nowhere and how that led us to the predicament we are in, and that doing what my tumblog was talking about solved that problem. Then I showed a video about the same topic, and sprinkled a couple times throughout were the clickbank hoplinks. Then, I had a killer list of pointers on how to do this if you didn’t want to go the ebook route. It wasn’t as complete, I mean it was 8 pointers and a video instead of a 100 page ebook, but it was good stuff. Never in the whole thing did I fabricate, we really do what my site was about, and have for quite a while.
I would have loved to have found my site when my wife and I moved here.
Like I said, I don’t get it. Maybe I sprinkled the link to the ebook too many times? Maybe tumblr is just coming down hard on anything that looks even a little salesish that has come out since day 16?
Beats me, but I can do this on my own blogger, a place I like a lot as well.
Pat - CrashT Voom
August 18th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
You know what, I take it back, I don’t think this is content related, I think that tumblr probably couldn’t handle the bandwidth, because they are taking down non-affiliate, non spammy sites too. They probably got smacked by their bandwidth provider, and decided to take drastic measures.
This is my guess,
Pat
August 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
My account got suspended for some reason and I haven’t got a clue. Can someone help me??I spent hours on it.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Applause, applause, Ed! Amen to that!
.:Megan:. =D
P.S.
@Susan Smith - Which account got suspended? You might want to post that on the forums
August 18th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Seriously guys and gals, there is nothing to get your knickers in a knot about. Yes we are seeing mass deletion of blogs from Tumblr… but Tumblr is not the only place in town…
What you are learning here is a methodology, the use of Tumblr is an example of the ‘type’ of place you should be putting content on… There are a whole rook of other sites out there that fit the bill.
True, we are seeing a bit of a backlash here, and in all honesty Tumblr are being a bit trigger happy at the moment. I have seen Tumblr blogs deleted today that have been around for quite a while now, have amazing content in, and which are in no way connected to the Thirty Day Challenge.
But… as we get past this little hurdle we will all come out at the other end a little wiser… and a little less dependent on one source of traffic. (I hope you listened to the Podcast).
Ed and I will be bringing you an update soon.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
BRAVO!!! I have been turned off Internet Marketing for a long time because of the bottom feeders that seem to ruin it for everyone else. You all earned my trust and loyalty last year with the work you were doing and the various programs you were involved with. You have reinforced that this year with your generosity and your straight shooting about what this is all about.
Thanks for helping us get over the hurdles and giving us your wisdom on this often confusing business.
–Beth
August 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
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August 18th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
My account got suspended and I do not have a clue as to why. My content was done according to the suggested method in the course. My content was original.
Now I am starting from scratch.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
I do not know the numbers but as i get it from you there are a lot of members this year. I can only try to inmagine the reaction of the staff at Tumblr at the 16th…most have been like the Romans seeing Spartacus.
What you shoud get out of this story…it WORKS but …do it somewhere else then on Tumblr. Maybe i can suggest a small list of places
http://3spots.blogspot.com/2006/01/all-social-that-can-bookmark.html#communities
Ed, Dan and Lab, I want to thank you for your knowledge and the gift of sharing it. It means a lot to me and to the majority of us.
Thanks,
Edwin
August 18th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Hear Hear Ed! And to be honest, the best results I’ve had have come from adding pages with articles on them to my own website. Obviously these are relevant to the business and of interest and good quality (I hope!) to people, but when I compare between these and the Tumblr pages I’ve put up, the pages from my website have been quicker to show up and risen higher in the ranks. I’ve been following the same formula for both but it seems having Tumblr as a support to everything else we’ve been learning is what’s important.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Excellent that you brought this up, Ed! Kudos!!!!!
I think you got this point across, however, on ALL your videos. You stress the ethical way of Internet Marketing and that also makes it better for everyone (marketers and market and the “feeling” people have after hearing you are “an internet marketer”). That was something I admired about you on your videos. No slimey guy stuff.
And, one site I was trying to “join” (re: Rob Summerville’s video, social poster) said my site was flagged and when I asked WHY?? They responded quickly after reviewing it and said my site in particular was not banned or flagged, but they have seen a SPIKE very recently on TUMBLR spam sort of sites in particular and they were researching as to “why”….I was happy they looked at my site and waved me in with green flags, but immediatley thought, “hmm…wonder if people are putting quick shot spammy sites up?” But, if any TDC person did, it would be either a newbie doing it in error or someone deliberately doing their own thing and their own way, NOT Ed Dale’s way. I love how you present everything beautifully.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
Andy Roberts wrote: Keep putting out the white-hat philosophy message Ed…
I’m confused. Yes, Ed is putting out the white-hat philosophy message. But the message seems to be in conflict with the practice.
I’ve been privately asking myself whether the Google optimization techniques that we are being taught are actually white hat. They seem more grey hat to me (but I am open to being corrected - I am certainly no expert).
Waking up to the Tumblr news this morning served to confirm my doubts about the techniques we are using.
Here’s my understanding of what white hat Google optimization would look like:
1. Put up a blog on Tumblr, Blogger or other hosting place. Make sure your blog title has your keyword phrase in it.
2. Install a free analytics program (Google Analytics, Sitemeter, etc)
3. Post 3 useful keyword rich articles a day, preferably without affiliate links in them.
4. Spend time building legitimate incoming links using Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 methods.
5. Watch your Google ranking rise.
I guess the key phrase above is in point #4 “legitimate incoming links”.
Frankly, I question whether some of the techniques we are being taught, such as getting our team members to vote/digg/Stumble our site (never mind doing it ourselves for our own sites), are legitimate in the eyes of Google or the respective social networking sites. By doing so, aren’t we trying to “rig the vote”, so to speak?
I think that’s why Tumblr is so angry with us.
And yes, Tumblr is not the only game in town. But if it’s a dodgy thing to do on Tumblr, why would it be any less dodgy on another blogging platform?
Just asking.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
This 30DC is the best thing that has happened for me this year, as I’m learning things not found in the expensive courses I’ve already taken. I too am in my 60s (and like Glen, kicked in the teeth at every turn), and probably because of that am not as inventive or quick to learn as the rest of you youngsters out there. Thus, my Tumblr blog isn’t as big as others, I got a late start because it took me longer to “get it,” and so I’m lucky to post one article a day there. Still, each one has a link out to one of my content sites for more info, or a Clickbank hop link (shown as a TinyURL). I see my blog is still there today. Am I just lucky? Or do you think it might be because I’m a slowpoke and they don’t think I’m trying to “use” them? OR, maybe because I’m not getting much traffic yet and they just haven’t noticed me?
Great stuff here, everyone. I think I learn almost as much from the rest of the posts as I do from Ed and Dan and Rob and Mike!
“Bert”
August 18th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
I think I found the answer to my question in a posting by Cindy on the forum. She said:
“Anytime you use a service to create multiple sites/blogs (and you ping it, bookmark it, stumble it, digg it and whatever else) in a short amount of time it will be deemed as spam. Because natural popularity ie. “social bookmarking” on the internet happens over time. …You should actually spread out your efforts over several platforms and use social bookmarking tactics sparingly, over time. It looks more natural that way.”
What that says to me is that there is nothing wrong with using the social bookmarking tactics we have been taught. The key point is “sparingly, over time”.
August 18th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Apparently, Marco at tumblr thinks we are keyword spammers and hates us all. As a result, they are in mass-delete mode. My blog didn’t have have an affiliate link in it, and the articles looked just like Marco’s own blog entries in terms of content and value.
Frankly, I think the guy is either a well-meaning idiot (which the world is full of) or tumblr doesn’t have the infrastructure to support all of the “growth” we represented in terms of traffic.
Probably both. I’ve written to support and asked to know why I wasn’t given 72 hours notice according to their own policy, and also what specific policy I broke.
August 18th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
Fern, I understand your concerns, yet this is nothing more than the electronic version of Networking. I belong to several business networks. Each meeting, we present our business and suggest who is a good prospect for us. In the spirit of networking, we refer to each other and say good things about each other. After reading Ed’s technique, I connected with it as the electronic version of face-to-face networking. I consider it networking to digg or otherwise help a team member’s blog get a higher ranking. That’s only the first step because unless their products deliver worthwhile information, they will not be successful no matter how may times I rate them. Good product rises and garbage sinks. I see no ethical issues in using open means of communication to do what hundreds of bloggers who already have sites there are already doing. KT
August 18th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
Hi Dan and Ed,
Thank you for reiterating this video. Being the low key gal that I am, I was hesitant to start a blog and immediately put links to affiliates on the page. After listening to the video again I lost my apprehension and actually started a blog. Thank you again for all your time and effort. Jody.
August 18th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Ed:
I can see the pain in your eyes, I feel for you…
I, for one, think you have done nothing wrong (other than perhaps over excite too many people all at once). What you, Dan, Rob, Nick and your group have been doing is phenomenal. Very generous and informative, to see it backfire… Devastating…
BUT remember:
throughout the challenge you have been saying what you emphasized on day 13…
GREAT CONTENT is KING - I think what may have bit us all, was the tag team, willy nilly insincere “love making” that has been happening.
Free love is dead, it lead to “the clap” (VD AIDS)
Web 2.0 “free love” leads to “the slap” (closed accounts, Ranking hits) which you also warned about.
I recently sent messages looking for Facebook friends. I indicated that I would be giving and seeking SINCERE love when my sites were ready. I’m not a whore in real life and I have no intention of becoming one in “second life”, web 2.0 or any other environment.
Moderation and authenticity in all areas is how I see it…
What your preaching is solid
- What people do with power… Well that’s another story
August 18th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
Oops - wrong place - too many tabs open… delete my 2 posts here please
I’ve put it were I should have
August 19th, 2007 at 12:05 am
KT, I like your analogy to in-person networking. Combining that with Jerry’s distinction of SINCERE love, I feel more comfortable with the techniques. Hey, I’m all for recommending others …as long as I have used the business or read the article/website and know that it really is worthwhile.
It’s been quite a day, hasn’t it? Lots of good learning for me. I had to do some soul searching and ask myself some hard questions (and get up the nerve to ask them here).
The key learning for me is that social media is, well…social. Just like in-person networking. And I need to take the same care with my on-line networking as I would with in-person networking.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:12 am
“This is about creating a REAL, SUSTAINABLE, ECOLOGICAL and ETHICAL business.”
“It’s not about TUMBLR and if your not putting quality, brilliant information that delivers supreme and real value to the reader there
A pox on your house.”
Nicely done Ed - right on the button
keep it up
Cheers, John
August 20th, 2007 at 5:24 am
Am way way behind due to accident during the course (will teach me to look the right way in future!!) But what a refreshing change to come across a truly ethical team of Ed, Dan et al.
Thanks for everything.
Cheers
John
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